Kennt die Herren jemand ?

 

rsofhouston

 

Meinungen, über den Eindruck der Seite ?

Erfahrungen mit dem Anbieter ??

 

Waren auch schon als Referenten auf der Tradersworld (Der jetzigen WOT), glaube das war 2007 oder 2008

(Vllt. kennt sie ja einer von euch/hat sie dort gesehen)

 

Habe dann spärer noch mehr Infos.

Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere hat ein Kollege von mir den HomeStudy-Kurs gekauft (ein paar Tausend Dollar). Sind einige DVDs und Handbuch.

 

Fachlich wars AFAIR nicht so schlecht, ein Streifzug durch alle Grundlagen. Auch sehr ehrlich und realistisch. Auf jeden Fall besser als jedes "du kannst sofort reich werden, handle einfach nach meinen Regeln".

 

reich geworden ist er damit aber nicht...

 

Die Seite passt zu den DVDs (sofern ich mich nicht täusche)... aber wenn der Inhalt passt, muss es ja kein high-end Design sein...

Aha, interessant, das es gutes Material ist.

Weisst du noch in etwa wann das war ?

Aha, interessant, das es gutes Material ist.

Weisst du noch in etwa wann das war ?

 

Naja "gut"... gutes Basiswissen in ein paar DVDs und einem Buch komprimiert. Wie immer nix was man nicht auch selber im Netz finden kann, aber eben schon vorgekaut.

 

Wann: Dürfte schon 4-5 Jahre her sein...

 

(alles unter der Annahme das ich die jungs nicht verwechsle )

Die haben aber stolze Preise!

Da würd ich aber auch ne Gewinn-Wohlstandsgarantie verlangen.

Ich mache es mal weniger spannend.

 

2000 passierte dann dies Strafe/Begründung

 

Als sie dann in der deutschen "Traders" ein mehrseitiges Interview gegeben hatten, kam es zu Druck bzw. nachfragen aus Internet Foren, ob denn "Traders" nicht vernünftig recherchiere..

 

Herr Albert (Chef Redakteur der Traders) sah sich dann wohl gezwungen nachzuharken und bekam folgende Antwort:

 

Dear Mr. Albert:

 

Thank you for requesting our side of the story.

 

Our method didn't simply "pop into our heads" at no cost. It has taken us years of costly trial and error research to develop our approach. The CFTC achieved their objective of implying that our method doesn't work and that we haven't traded it profitably by publishing all of our results they had access to.

 

They did not specify what percentage of our trading was done according to our method, what percentage was done following other systems (yes, we have been known to purchase systems that looked good on paper and try them. Invariably they have cost us money in losses - this is also part of our course materials, where Ron candidly discusses some of his less than pleasant past experiences) and what percentage was done as part of our ongoing trading research - the fruits of which we share with our students.

 

I suspect that if our method didn't work we wouldn't enjoy a 93% student satisfaction rating, nor would we receive the kind of testimonials we receive every week from satisfied students who paid good money for our course and are using it to improve their lives and their trading.

 

The not so recent CFTC complaint (brought and settled on May 1, 2000, almost 5 years ago) primarily focused on a print brochure/direct mail piece mailed in Dec'99/Jan'00. What the complaint conveniently neglected to mention was that this brochure was written, produced and distributed by a 3rd party, TradeWins Publishing, without our approval. The CFTC was aware that we had explicitly told TradeWins Publishing to change the brochure, prior to mailing it out, when TW sent us an advance copy for approval, but TW disregarded our instructions and mailed it out unchanged, yet they chose to hold us responsible for the content. Needless to say, we had already terminated our business arrangement with TradeWins Publishing before the complaint was brought.

 

You would also do well to recognize the fact that the CFTC's complaint was not adjudicated in a court of law. They made allegations and we settled their complaint by paying a fine with no admission of guilt or wrongdoing.

 

It was a straightforward business/trading decision:

A) Settle by paying a $10K fine (on top of the $40K already spent in legal fees) and be done with them,

OR

B) Face 2-3 years of ongoing litigation with the extreme personal stress and aggravation it entails at an additional legal cost of approx. $150K-$200K + have the same damage done regardless of the outcome.

 

From our course you should have learned to cut losses and to keep your ego out of trading. That is precisely what we did.

 

As you have read their complaint and the terms of our settlement you know that we are prohibited from disputing their allegations, therefore I will limit my comments to the following press release sent out at the time:

 

 

R.S. of Houston Workshop - Press Release - May 10, 2000

 

In light of the recent publicity over our settlement with the CFTC and apparent widespread misunderstanding of its nature we would like to make the following statement:

 

Contrary to popular belief the CFTC did not "shut down" the R.S. of Houston Workshop. Without admitting or denying the allegations made by the CFTC we have complied with their request to delete 12 lines of text from our 50+ page web site and the web site continues to be active and available on-line.

 

Results of a student satisfaction survey conducted in September '99 indicated that 90%+ of respondents were satisfied with their experience and the course. All customer testimonials on the web site are genuine, but not necessarily representative of results achieved by the average student.

 

Our CTA registration is in good standing, our course remains unchanged and we continue to offer our Workshop and Home Study Course.

 

We are pleased that this unpleasant episode is behind us and look forward to continuing our work with traders, offering unparalleled service and support.

 

I will entertain no further dialog regarding the CFTC complaint, but will be happy to answer any questions regarding our course and it's content.

 

Best regards,

 

Valdi Thorkelsson

 

 

Und Brief #2:

 

Hello Mr. Albert,

 

I would encourage you to take the time to review past CFTC enforcement actions and subsequent settlements. In doing so, I suspect you would find the following elements (some or all of which have been part of just about every settlement the CFTC has accepted before or since) conspicuously absent from our settlement:

 

i) If the person is registered with the CFTC (i.e, CTA, floor broker, IB, FCM etc.) the CFTC will usually either revoke registration or suspend it for a period of time. If a person is not registered with the CFTC they will usually be barred from seeking registration either indefinitely or for a set period of time. - Neither happened in our case, my CTA registration was left intact and is still in good standing.

Cases in point: Ed Moore ('Rhythm of the Markets') - CTA registration suspended for 6 months in September '00.

George Angell (author of numerous trading books and systems) - banned from seeking registration for 3 years following his settlement in March '02

Curtis Arnold ('Pattern Probability Strategy' & London Financial) - banned from seeking registration for life in August '00.

 

ii) In the vast majority of cases where the CFTC alleges fraud they will require the defendant to pay restitution to injured parties as part of a settlement, i.e. require refunds to customers - We were not required to refund tuition to our students.

 

iii) The CFTC will also frequently ban defendants from trading on any contract market either for a limited period of time or permanently (i.e. ban them from all trading, even for their own personal accounts!) - No restrictions were placed on our trading activities

Case in point: In August 2000 Curtis Arnold was banned from trading (even his own personal account) for 3 years.

 

iv) The $10K fine we agreed to is about the smallest amount the CFTC could have accepted (doesn't even cover their own costs of investigating) and amounts to a 'parking ticket' in relative terms when compared to numerous fines imposed on trading educators/publishers by the CFTC/NFA in recent years:

Cases in point: March '02 George Angell $50,000

April '02 TradeWins Publishing $100,000

August '00 Curtis Arnold $100,000

March '00 Jake Bernstein/MBH Commodity Advisors $200,000 (fined by NFA - fine confirmed by CFTC)

 

As stated above my intention is to put the terms of our settlemnet in the proper perspective.

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions about the severity of our alleged infractions.

 

Soweit also die Stellungnahme von RS of Houston.

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

 

Lothar Albert

 

Quelle Zitat / TMW

 

Man sollte allerdings auch erwähnen das dies kein Gerichtsurteil ist, sondern "nur" die Strafe der Commodity Futures Trading Commission, die von rsofhouston mit Druckfehlern einer von ihnen nicht genehmigten Publikation begründet wurde.

Die haben aber stolze Preise!

Da würd ich aber auch ne Gewinn-Wohlstandsgarantie verlangen.

 

Jo, ich hätts mir auch nie gekauft, und er hat auch ein paar mal über den Preis gestöhnt ;)

 

 

Ich mache es mal weniger spannend.

 

2000 passierte dann dies Strafe/Begründung

 

Wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe gehts nur darum das ihr System als nicht profitabel "enttarnt" wurde oder?

Zugegeben, den Teil mit dem System hab ich mir damals nicht angeschaut, nur ein paar Auszüge der Grundlagen. Aber so ein System funktioniert ja nie out-of-the-box. Was sie gut bringen (zumindest deutlich besser als 90% der anderen Dienste von denen man so hört) ist ein breites Fundament an Basiswissen. Auch Thema MM und RM. Für mich hats damals sehr nach einem "Hier die Grundlagen und ein Beispielsystem wie wir arbeiten, wie du selber reich wirst musst du dir selber erarbeiten" gewirkt.

 

Das die keinen Gral haben sollte trotz des Preises jedem klar sein.

Ob das Preisleistungsverhältniss stimmt: mMn nicht, denn wer mit Motivation und Interesse Tom-Next durchforstet und Fragen stellt, bekommt zumindest die Grundlagen for free...

Wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe gehts nur darum das ihr System als nicht profitabel "enttarnt" wurde oder?

Und wohl darum, dass sie vorgaben, Live Konten erfolgreich geführt haben.

Und wohl darum, dass sie vorgaben, Live Konten erfolgreich geführt haben.

Jo, das is böse und wird zurecht bestraft.

 

Aber nach dem alten Spruch "Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach." war sowieso zu erwarten das jemand der so teure Seminare und DVDs verkauft, möglicherweise keine andere Einkommensquelle hat.